Today's Investment: Organic Beef
 

I ordered in a whole organic beef at $3.95/lb. We pay more than that for organic burger now, and besides the 200+ pounds we are having ground there will be 200 lbs of steaks, roasts, stew meat, ribs, liver, plus nice organic bones for soup base and dog treats.

The 60 lbs of steaks average $16/lb in the store for organic.

That should last us 2 years. In a zero degree freezer vacuum sealed, manual defrost for none of that partial thawing, it should still be excellent the whole time.

I cannot order beef much further out in time than that, but I will not be surprised if compared to prices at Whole Foods this is not as good an investment as the same FRNs in silver, and we can't eat our silver if times get chaotic for a bit.

With some nice garden veggies on the side we should be eating well.

:yippee:

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Sounds like a good deal, was this from a local supplier or someone that ships throughout the country?

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That's dirt cheap.

Around here, 4.50 a pound is about as good as you'll find, and that's for grassfed, antibiotic/hormone free, not certified organic.

Watch out for whole foods, as they are scammers. Better to buy from a local you can trust. A lot of "organic" begins its life as commodity.

Basically, all you have to do to be certified is have some smoke and mirrors and the ability to lie.

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They are in mid to north Texas, and they do ship. Though shipping cost for frozen beef adds somethinglike 50 cents/lb, and I did not check if they ship nationwide.

In Texas and New Mexico they run to assorted cities every few months and you can meet them and get it right off their freezer truck at no shipping cost.

http://www.paidom.com/orders.htm

Family farm, too.

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I was wondering if you produced good clean grass fed beef, eatbeef. I think that is a very positive contribution to the health of the consumers, and their direct marketing seems good for both ends of the sale.

They raise it chemical, antibiotic free and on pasture, have it butchered to order, and ship or deliver.

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Well, I things end up in a way making that stash important for you, eat it raw for the first months. A hungry person would catch the smell of your steaking it from several kilometers. It's amazing what hunger does to the senses...

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I do.

Unfortunately, (due to nothing other than my own laziness, apathy, and lack of web design skill) I still market most of mine as a commodity.

I have a domain name secured and hosted, but no site up as of yet. It is my plan to have my wife quit her job and take care of the marketing (and our child[ren] from home in the near future.

I do keep abreast of the grass fed movement. Also have a good friend in Covington, Texas who sells their complete production just like the people with whom you are doing business.

Its a great business model, the only bad part is that the USDA/big ag fight you tooth and nail each step of the way. Then again, that's sort of an endorsement in itself, isn't it! :bandit:

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They sure seem nice, and I think they eased into it. You are so distant you would not be a competitor, especially considering they can only produce so much on their ranch, so I bet they would talk with you on how they got going. I think most of their growth is word of mouth.

If your first year most of your beef still went commercial and just a few head were direct marketed in your nearest city, that might be a good way to start.

He reports his biggest hassle is the cost of butchering he feels confident of going up.

Last year I tried to buy clean beef from a friend's ranch, but when the time came they refused payment! So I grudgingly accepted sample burger and refused the side I wanted. Then I had to find a stranger to buy from. I like my friend's better because it is an angus herd and they taste good and are a little more tender, to me. They do finish them on grain, though. But in clean conditions. It's still on the ranch, they just add some grain in the evening.

That would keep them out of strict organic since it is ordinary grain, but no biggie to me considering how clean those cattle live their whole lives.

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Update

Our new 20 cubic foot freezer was delivered today. Beef next Saturday.

For any of you contemplating long term frozen meat storage the rancher told me his butcher he uses says it keeps a lot nicer and longer at -15 than at 0 degrees. The butcher does not keep any very long, but the rancher said once he bought an add on freezer thermometer and went to -15 degrees that they could not find any problem or tell any difference between 2 year old and 1 month old beef. Your mileage may vary, but I'm going for the minus 15 degrees since the meat guy with the big freezer has reasons for his opinion and this is my first whole beef.

I have kept beef in the fridge top freezer vacuum sealed 2 years (carelessness on rotation) and I found it did degrade after about 6 months but there are 2 issues. The fridge partially melts everything periodically to be 'frost free' and we got a manual defrost freezer for that reason. Plus few fridge top freezers are all that cold.

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Organic beef? Is there any other kind? I've never seen an inorganic cow.:albertein

I hope you have a way to power your freezer when the electricity goes out, or you're going to have to eat real fast.

-Metalophile (a chemist by training)

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If the power goes out, it can be canned if you have the supplies and a way of cooking.

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My family does grass fed beef too. I've been trying to talk them into doing this type of thing, I think it is a great deal for the ranchers. We take a cow and split it up between 4 or 5 families because each of us having a cow in the freezer is a waste. Plus we can always get more whenever we need it. I thought about getting one for myself, but there is just no way I could run a freezer post shtf, those things suck way too much juice. I have been thinking more about alternative storage ideas like canning and making beef jerky. That is the only real long term storage.

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We have a generator and a major canning set up, so our meat will not rot in an emergency.

metal, beef shot up with antibiotics, wormed, doused in fly pesticide, fed hormones and raised knee deep in sh!t is very different indeed nutritionally from beef grazed on nice clean pastures and not full of antibiotics, pesticides in the fat, and assorted hormones.

Look it up since you have the training to understand the difference, for example, in the fat molecules.

Clay, I think it is a much better way. Remove the middlemen. Clean food and all the $ to the primary producers.

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Hey Clay.....when you split a beef amoung 4-5 families, who gets what ?

I mean, splitting it in half, ( lengthwise of course...ahahahaha ), both get pretty much the same thing ( same number of roasts, steaks, etc )......but if you break it down past that, somebody seems like they loose out on cuts.....

We kill one a year and that pretty much does two of us......no special freezer, just an upright job, but I do vaccum seal......and we usually get rid of a 100lbs or so of hamburger away to the neighbors each kill.

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Being a chemist it always rubs me the wrong way when someone or some group takes a technical term and uses it to mean something entirely different. I guess I have at least read about one inorganic cow. That was the golden calf the Israelites made while Moses was getting the 10 commandments. I wonder how many oz of Au that had!

Also, my problem with much of the "organic" food movement is that you lose a heck of a lot of efficiency when you bar yourself from using many of the inventions of the past century. In effect, you're using more resources (wasting resources) to produce less food for a health benefit which is ill defined. I don't work for the chemical industry or in a pesticide or pharma company, so I don't think I'm biased, but I just haven't seen the benefits of paying twice as much for "organic" food. I know there are probably many of you who swear by it, but how much of that is placebo effect? How much of it is fear of the unknown, of what might be there?

Beef "shot up with antibiotics" sounds worse than it really is. The worst problem with that is the possible development of antibiotic resistant pathogens. If used properly the antibiotics are withheld for a period of days before slaughter to allow the antibiotics to be excreted.

I have not measured pesticides in beef myself, so I won't comment on this one without having done any research other than to say that I think many of the older pesticides were more fat soluble and were present in the beef fat. USDA regulates beef in the USA, so I'd check their data first on what pesticides they are currently finding and at what levels. I do know that analytical chemistry has made great advances in the past 20 years or so, and that now we're looking at much lower levels.

Hormones - what's wrong with those? They're naturally occuring proteins. nothing toxic about those in themselves. They can change the cow's metabolism, so I suppose they can change the %fat and % protein, etc.

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I forgot the link to an article about "organic" food I just read:

http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_.../headline/2334

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I have no interest in arguing with you or converting you. Eat all the antibiotic resistant e-coli filled ground polluted mess it pleases you to ingest. And I hope you get a kick out of the secondary sex aspects of the hormones. :smile: Actually they are particularly bad for young girls, and you may not notice a thing.

But wanting to remove a new useage of the term organic is ridiculous to the point of grotesque. Latin is a dead language. English isn't, yet.

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All of the above is done to get as much meat on the bones in as short as time as possible. All while the feedlot beef do no excercise.

Perhaps just try tasting them back-to-back.

I'll tell you the difference between a battery hen's eggs and a free-range egg blindfolded. The same goes for the hens' meat. The one is rubbery with almost no taste. The other one tastes like chicken should.

Golden Regards
Uncle

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I think the reason people want to go for "organic" is because they have a better idea of what they are getting(though organic can be misleading some times as well).

Theres a lot of "non-organic" stuff that is fine for you. But how do you know if it has a normal amount of stuff or is pumped full of the stuff to the extreme. A lot of it may not be as bad as AM says but its possible some of it is.

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I think it does vary a lot Alric. I mean we know EatBeef is selling good meat into the ordinary system. Of course if they go from him to be finished at a feedlot, ugh. Go look at one of those things or even smell it from afar. Without antibiotics in the feed they cannot keep animals alive in such filth.

Then off to be ground up with a certain percentage of fecal matter and mixed with many animals, sick and well. Why do you think people die of some ground beef? Or there are beef recalls? Some of it may be fine, most is not very good, but not deadly, a small portion deadly.

Grass fed beef actually has more of the 'good fat' the omega 3 kind, and less of the 'bad fat'. Organic veggies not only taste better, but generally have a better nutritional profile.

Overall, factory food is nasty stuff. Humans are tough, and we mostly survive it. Personally I think the incredible amount of sugar in the modern western diet does more health harm than all other factors combined. If a person never ate anything organic, but also no sugar, I think they would be lot healthier than 100% organic plus a lot of sugar. But still, factory meat is nasty.

US factory meat is so nasty it keeps getting banned for import here and there.

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Why people insist on eating meat I don't really know.

Check out the interesting maps in this article:

Too Late To Shut The Gate On This Killer

As "mad cow" disease spreads outward from
Britain, a silent epidemic of carriers
in humans has begun to emerge.

http://tinyurl.com/e7l3p

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When we split it up we butcher it all out so basicly there is a huge pile of ready to cook cuts on the table. Then we just take a little of each untill it's gone. No arguments ever. Everyone ends up with a little of everything and some people don't care for some cuts so the others get more of that.

I don't eat very much meat so I don't get very much.

If you don't understand what it means to eat food that is good for you, your missing out. Too bad, but whatever you want its your body.

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Yes, I'm sure that 100 million chronically ill Americans couldn't be wrong.

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I'm sorry, I'm just a stupid redneck. I don't understand what you are saying. If you think that just because something you eat today doesnt make you sick tomorrow it is good for you, you have something to learn. Do you know about mad cow disease?

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I'm not sure just what you are saying either. If you glance up this page you'll see my post #21 about mad cow disease. As for the connection between diet and illness, I've understood this for a long time. It's faulty diet that causes most illness, that and an inadequate daily intake of pure water.

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I agree with that. Why not try and eat a balanced diet of things you know are good for you? Locally Grown Organic food (that are really that) and grass fed, hormone free beef and lamb seem to me to be a pretty good way to take care of yourself if you balance everything well.

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I will pick up my delivery on some chicken and beef on 7/28 at a local mall. I will let y'all what I think of the taste.

Jennifer
www.discountsilverclub.com

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The absolute best beef I've ever had was grown naturally, and grass fed by a private individual. I used to buy a side every year from him.

It was inexpensive since he discounted me for helping slaughter. The guy had a nice little 5 acre set up in a fairly remote neck of the woods (Divide Creek) in Western CO.

Free range/non-antibiotic and non-hormone fed chicken and eggs is equally obvious.

I've also tried privately grown hogs and the same can be said.

The difference is amazing. Of course the proof is in the eating, with both that, and unpolluted (organically grown) vegetables.

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Right on! The health benefits rate as an investment on their own, never mind any savings you may benefit from as the result of such a purchase. Except when I eat out I eat organic and if there were organic restaurants around here I'd preferentially go to them, I dine out to eat something better than I can cook and organic food blows the big agriculture competition out of the water in taste, too.


I'm still bringing my small farm online but I'll have chickens and calves soon. Between what I eat and what I may be able to sell my property taxes will be effectively compensated and eventually my place will have paid for itself which is more than can be said for suburban tract housing and their pintsized lots, and I paid $125,000 less for this place than I would have paid for one of those things in an area with comprable crime statistics and demographics.


The idea of not eating meat as being healthy is utterly preposterous for Caucasians and many other racial groups. My tribe, like many from arctic and subarctic climes, has thrived for millenia on a meat-heavy diet. We live 100 years on average are robustly healthy and strong and boast larger than average brains... but most of you guys aren't arctic tribesmen, you're Caucasians and Caucasians are the wheat and beef people! Those two food sources are what allowed you to spread out from your point of origin and colonize the rest of the world. Now with all the racial mixing some things are better for some than others, but meat is hardly a poison. As far as mad cow goes, cows get that from being fed parts of other cows. You get it from eating parts of cows that were fed cow parts. Grass fed organic beef short circuits that loop. If you're buying your beef from a farm whose cattle are sourced entirely seperately from the factory feedlots you're entirely out of the circle.

Not to mention mad cow and bird flu are real diseases but 99% hype in order to push NAIS and similar systems in other countries to allow the fatcats a monopoly on the food supply, pocketing all our cash while simultaneously feeding us a substandard and often harmful product. What does big argibusiness and the USDA have in common? That's right, the pharmaceuticals industry. Create a disease and sell the cure, it's been going on for ages.

On the subject of nutrition, that's 100% dead on about drinking enough pure, clean water. If anything that's my biggest health failing. The system that has worked best for me is having a 1qt canteen filled every morning and making sure its empty by the time I go to bed, and that's a minimum. While you're at it cut out a lot of sugar, or at least switch to raw honey. Forget about soda, but teas can be a good substitute.

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[quote=REV127;306791]Not to mention mad cow and bird flu are real diseases but 99% hype in order to push NAIS and similar systems in other countries to allow the fatcats a monopoly on the food supply, pocketing all our cash while simultaneously feeding us a substandard and often harmful product. What does big argibusiness and the USDA have in common? That's right, the pharmaceuticals industry. Create a disease and sell the cure, it's been going on for ages.quote]


BIG, FAT, Honkin' AMEN to that!

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those that have a little land that mostly does not warrant growing lifestock please do consider growing japanese quail - coturnix coturnix

they lay 300 eggs a year, each is about 8 % of their body weight. chickens is 3% and turkey is 1%.
each egg has higher percent of nitrients that are good for you than chicken eggs.

they are very resistant to disease.

they become sexually mature at the age of 6 weeks.

the males can be grown in 8 hour a day light and because of that their sexual maturation never advances so they grow big faster and do not fight each other.

you can keep 3 pairs in a 15 dollar birdcage (large)

or you can make some very easily.

I would not recommend starting with less than 40 animals. that is 30 hens and 15 cocks.

the space for them to live would take up a rack 8 feet long by 6 feet high and a foot an a half deep.

all you need is a simple incubator you can get for 50 dollars of fleabay

then you need a nice brooder that you can use cardboard boxes in your garage and the rack mentioned above.

you need to keep the rack in a palce undisturbed by noises and animals and children.

otherwise the hens stop laying eggs.

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One of the things that make me think TPTB see SHF coming is their mania for locking up food and water supplies.

That's not your X-box business model.

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And just as a side note, we've had 2 new calves born here this week !

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Congrats on the new baby cows!:birthday:

I LOVE my Paidom chickens and beef I got!:love: I made the most delicious fried chicken, and I also had a ribeye steak (marinated in balsamic vinegar, soy sauce, salt, pepper and a little rosemary). YUM

Jennifer
www.discountsilverclub.com

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Meat constipates. It makes one heavy, slow, dull and sours the mood.

What the hell do you think you are? Lions? Tigers? Wolves?

All that putrescent corpse flesh struggling to make its way slowly through your long gut, all the while releasing toxins into your blood stream ...

Too much and you'll get irritable bowel syndrome.

Later maybe even rectal cancer, since meat is the cause.

Anyway, you should wean yourself off it since America faces a meatless future.

IMHO - You should stick to veggies.

But that's just me.

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Apparently you have NOT discovered a good marinade for yours......I suggest 1 stick butter, couple ounces Worstershire sauce, some salt, pepper, dried onion and garlic powder.......melt and brush on the steaks as you cook.....you'll get a whole new attitude about meat.....ahahahahahaaaaa

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Andy: I suffered for many years from irritable bowel syndrome (spastic colon), a dull persistent ache in the gut that made driving a nightmare and that I'm told is very common and is a precursor of colon cancer (also very common). But one day, after having heard so much bad news about 'meat', I decided to stop eating it and my problem went away within a few days and never returned. I hadn't been eating much, but the little I had been eating was enough to cause all those years of misery. I guess guys like you are obviously made of sterner stuff than me.

Anyway, enjoy your steaks. I'm sure they're very tasty. And that marinade sounds great!

Bon appetit!

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Jasper,

Just funning with you.

IBS is no fun I'm sure.....I kinda think it's a bacterial imbalance. Like the bacteria that doctor's FINALLY found to cause stomach ulcers ( H.Pylori ) after decades of prescribing anacids and milk-toast diet for ulcer sufferers.

Go heavy on the garlic in the marinade, along with lots of its everyday ( I take garlic capsules daily along with other things ) and it may clear that out.

I also tend to think the bacteria is carried more on commercial meats more due to the way they are raised ( crowded feedlot finishing ) and processed....but that's just my personal theory.

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Andy:

I've never thought of that but you're probably right about the bacteria since it was store-bought stuff I was eating and probably from a factory farm.

But with the healthy animals you are rearing outdoors on that great spread of yours I'm sure you'll never run into problems.

I guess it's the difference between what business chooses to describe as 'meat' and the real meat you are producing.

When I get on my soapbox and preach the evils of 'meat' it's the factory farm stuff I'm thinking of since that's what most people seem to be eating.

:beer:

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Cool! We had ribeye for lunch and it was great.

Backwards from most families, I think, I was vegetarian before wifey, but she is ultra carnivorous. We met in the middle, and by getting cleaner grass fed meat I feel better about us eating it.